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bush and austan goolsbee, former adviser to president barack obama. you know, our friend liesman, austan, he said if they could fix these numbers, if they could somehow fix them, then why didn't they fix the debate performance? that didn't make sense to me. i think i figured it out. you could relax at the debate if you knew you were doing 7.8, all right? you could kind of mail it in, like hey, no big deal. i'm getting a 7.8 on friday. >> look, first of all, i've been saying for months, you've made me be mr. pessimistic on the jobs panel month after month and i told you finally the seasonal adjustment would kick in, in our favor, starting in september and then you didn't have me on! i would have predicted this. you got to at least -- >> i didn't know i could make you do things. that's cool, what do i want to you do. >> no, you made me do nothing. you kicked me off of there. >> where were you last month? >> it wasn't for lack of asking, was it? >> i'm sure we probably begged. >> no, i'm just playing with you. you got to learn the name of the bls commiss
bush and austan goolsbee, former adviser to president barack obama. you know, our friend liesman, austan, he said if they could fix these numbers, if they could somehow fix them, then why didn't they fix the debate performance? that didn't make sense to me. i think i figured it out. you could relax at the debate if you knew you were doing 7.8, all right? you could kind of mail it in, like hey, no big deal. i'm getting a 7.8 on friday. >> look, first of all, i've been saying for months,...
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. >> now let me give you a bottom line on the debate. first of all, you had a huge shot of energy in the republican camp in the romney campaign. republicans were thrilled with his performance. democrats were not so thrilled with president obama's performance. the question is going to be has mitt romney been able in a race where he's been clearly behind the president to hurt him enough and sustain that momentum over the next three weeks. that's what's really critical. there have been strong debates, john kerry had a strong debate against george w. bush in 2004. but he wasn't able to translate that into lasting benefit. that's the best of the next three weeks, to see whether romney can keep it going or whether president obama comes out with a higher level of aggression, higher level of energy in the next debate and stop the momentum that romney accumulated last night. >> okay. yeah, i had so many different thoughts, john, as we watched the whole thing. i remember that a lot of republicans were supporting newt gingrich because just for this
. >> now let me give you a bottom line on the debate. first of all, you had a huge shot of energy in the republican camp in the romney campaign. republicans were thrilled with his performance. democrats were not so thrilled with president obama's performance. the question is going to be has mitt romney been able in a race where he's been clearly behind the president to hurt him enough and sustain that momentum over the next three weeks. that's what's really critical. there have been...
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has now entering the debates against george w. bush. he had a reputation as a strong debater. his body language was off, he was condescending to bush. bush was surprisingly well performed and personable. you had the bush campaign take advantage of some mistakes that gore made in the debate. and they really drove a story. cheney beat lieberman in the vice presidential debates. all those things came together and political scientists call it a wave effect. cause out with bush ahead a few points. >> couldn't you just say for an idiot, he was surprisingly well inform informed in say what you're feeling. >> i've never thought bush was an idiot. >> why would you say surprisingly well informed? he was governor for -- he had a higher grade point average than al gore. >> because bush had a reputation -- >> with who? >> among people who cover him and among-mf. >> the media, you mean? >> a significant portion of the american people. >> i'm playing with you. i read what you tweeted, that you're ready for some debating with morning joe and at s
has now entering the debates against george w. bush. he had a reputation as a strong debater. his body language was off, he was condescending to bush. bush was surprisingly well performed and personable. you had the bush campaign take advantage of some mistakes that gore made in the debate. and they really drove a story. cheney beat lieberman in the vice presidential debates. all those things came together and political scientists call it a wave effect. cause out with bush ahead a few points....
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it will be a good debate, but i certainly do not underestimate what barack obama brings to it. >> that was the president and the man who is playing him during mitt romney's debate prep by talking expectations for the first debate. of course it's just two days away. joining us with a review, terry nelson, gop strategist, and democratic strategist morris reed. let's start with you this morning, terry. there is a sense the "washington post" has a piece out this morning that romney needs to be the instigator, he needs to be the aggressor. is that right and can he do it? >> i don't know if he needs to be the instigator. there has been clearly a lot of focus on the romney campaign. he needs to have a very solid performance and 2that's the mos important thing, that he makes his points in a solid and forceful way and if he does that are, i think and he will come out all right. but the idea that he needs to come in a have a debate defining moment in order for to be a success i don't think is right. >> is there one issue or theme that he has to hit home? >> he has to -- this race is about the ec
it will be a good debate, but i certainly do not underestimate what barack obama brings to it. >> that was the president and the man who is playing him during mitt romney's debate prep by talking expectations for the first debate. of course it's just two days away. joining us with a review, terry nelson, gop strategist, and democratic strategist morris reed. let's start with you this morning, terry. there is a sense the "washington post" has a piece out this morning that romney...
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well said. >> jimmy says obama wants to have a substantive debate. is there a worry that he could get too deep into the issues? >> no, because of the timeframe. they're 15-minute segments. they'll go back and forth. it's not set up. they won't have the chance to go way into it deep. >> that's my worry, that you come out of this with no substance. i want substance. >> if i'm a candidate running for the presidency of the united states, what i really care about are the undecides, the people who have not yet made up their mind. those are the folks that are going to swing this election. so you've got to speak to those folks. for them, it's not just a matter of the substance. substance is very, very important. but it's also a matter of your style. how do you react under pressure? do you have a sense of humor? are you quick on your feet? >> so here's a substantive question. it goes to specifics. we always talk about are we going to hear about specifics during this debate. apparently yesterday, romney came out and floated this idea of itemized deductions, a
well said. >> jimmy says obama wants to have a substantive debate. is there a worry that he could get too deep into the issues? >> no, because of the timeframe. they're 15-minute segments. they'll go back and forth. it's not set up. they won't have the chance to go way into it deep. >> that's my worry, that you come out of this with no substance. i want substance. >> if i'm a candidate running for the presidency of the united states, what i really care about are the...
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eastern, president obama and mitt romney will face off in their first of three debates. we have an all star panel tonight. former congressman rick lazio and former clinton white house aide keith boykin. and herman cain tells us what it's like to debate kevin madden. it's all about leadership and leadership means taking control of the conversation. that's just my advice. in an anemic overall economy, we've seen some positives in recent days. the ism services surprised on the up side today, 15 million car sales yesterday and of course stocks have been rising since a year ago today. the s&p is up 32%. so things can't be all that bad. how will the investor class vote in 34 days? but first up, both mitt romney and president obama are in their respective hotel rooms now. they're making final preparations for the big debate and cnbc's own john harwood joins us live with the details. good evening, john. >> good evening, larry. two hours from that debate we've gotten a reminder in the last 24 hours with a slew of polls of how high the stakes are in this debate. we forget sometime
eastern, president obama and mitt romney will face off in their first of three debates. we have an all star panel tonight. former congressman rick lazio and former clinton white house aide keith boykin. and herman cain tells us what it's like to debate kevin madden. it's all about leadership and leadership means taking control of the conversation. that's just my advice. in an anemic overall economy, we've seen some positives in recent days. the ism services surprised on the up side today, 15...
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. >>> big night on cnbc, not just because it's the first debate for romney and obama. it's because here on "mad money," it's wednesday. what do we play on wednesdays? you've got it. time to see about your pofrls. time to play ffd ffd. time to play "am i diversified?." we've gotten inundated with tweets. we have to go to them. this is from dimas 720. m mo,, pep, point guard, cop, nyb. i'm saying it's highly unlikely. procter & gamble, uh-oh, pepsi, consumer products company. altria, conoco phillips, new york community, high-yielding financial. keep altria. between pepsi and procter, keep pepsi. we're going to put in a health care company. at this point i'm going a little aggressive. go celgene. let's go to ed in new york, please. ed? >> caller: hey. >> hey. modern portfolio. it's a modern portfolio. i have popeye's. i love the red beans and rice. aig is my favorite financial. michael kors is the terrific apparel company where they still charge $200 even at the outlets. dynavax. and facebook is not doing as badly as everybody else. internet company, financial, apparel co
. >>> big night on cnbc, not just because it's the first debate for romney and obama. it's because here on "mad money," it's wednesday. what do we play on wednesdays? you've got it. time to see about your pofrls. time to play ffd ffd. time to play "am i diversified?." we've gotten inundated with tweets. we have to go to them. this is from dimas 720. m mo,, pep, point guard, cop, nyb. i'm saying it's highly unlikely. procter & gamble, uh-oh, pepsi, consumer...
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the first presidential debate between governor romney and president obama. it gets underway here on cnbc at 8:00 p.m. eastern time. stay tuned. tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 this morning, i'm going to trade in hong kong. tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 after that, it's on to germany. tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 then tonight, i'm trading 9500 miles away in japan. tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 with the new global account from schwab, tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 i hunt down opportunities around the world tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 as if i'm right there. tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 and i'm in total control because i can trade tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 directly online in 12 markets in their local currencies. tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 i use their global research to get an edge. tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 their equity ratings show me how schwab tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 rates specific foreign stocks tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 based on things like fundamentals, momentum and risk. tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 and i also have access to independent tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 firms like ned davis research tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 and economist intelligence unit. tdd#:
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tonight marks the first of three debates between president obama and mitt romney. both economy and markets will play a big role in today's matchup. which candidate is the right fix for both? john taylor is an economic adviser to the romney campaign and joins us. you are going to say mitt romney. in terms of convincing the american people what you believe and what mr. romney believes what does mr. romney need to do and say? >> we have high unemployment. the last growth number 1.3%. we are not creating enough jobs to employ the working age population. you can put good spins on this. basically it is not good. as i look at this it is largely a problem of policy. the policy has not been pro growth. it has been short termism. >> with all due respect i'm sure you watch a lot of the sunday talk shows, the one before the first presidential debate everybody was saying mr. romney has not outlined his own economic proposal so while you may say mr. obama has fallen short mr. romney is not putting out his case. >> i disagree with that. there is a lot of specificity on proposals
tonight marks the first of three debates between president obama and mitt romney. both economy and markets will play a big role in today's matchup. which candidate is the right fix for both? john taylor is an economic adviser to the romney campaign and joins us. you are going to say mitt romney. in terms of convincing the american people what you believe and what mr. romney believes what does mr. romney need to do and say? >> we have high unemployment. the last growth number 1.3%. we are...
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could be good news for president obama. keep those gas prices in the swing states low, mandy. >> absolutely. that's what counts. >>> so, mitt romney celebrating today after what many are calling a big victory in last night's debate. the market has been paying very close attention, as you could imagine, to the race with many already pricing in an obama victory. so what does a romney resurgence mean to your money? joining us now, paul hickey, co-founder of the spoke investment group and on the back of the way the people perceived the debate last night, we're seeing a little bit of reaction in certain sectors for the potential after romney win. but i want to know what you think is going to be a winner. >> i think a romney win, one area that would benefit -- medical device companies. there is hope if romney's elected and repeels the affordable care act, then the device tax will be repealed helping out these companies. that tax will pretty much go right down to their bottom line if it is taken away. so that's a nice 3% to 5% ben
could be good news for president obama. keep those gas prices in the swing states low, mandy. >> absolutely. that's what counts. >>> so, mitt romney celebrating today after what many are calling a big victory in last night's debate. the market has been paying very close attention, as you could imagine, to the race with many already pricing in an obama victory. so what does a romney resurgence mean to your money? joining us now, paul hickey, co-founder of the spoke investment...
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the reviews are in for last night's presidential debate. not so good for barack obama. definitely good for mitt romney. a lot of folks concluding that romney had one of the stronger debate performances last night in presidential debating history, at least in recent memory. that's not good news for the president. you can tell how both these campaigns feel about their performance last night based on what they're doing today. we have not seen mitt romney out in front of television cameras so far today, but president obama hosted a rally in colorado today, giving him a chance to have almost a do over from last night's performance. take a listen. >> when i got on to the stage, i met this very spirited fellow who claimed to be mitt romney. but it couldn't have been mitt romney because the real mitt romney has been running around the country for the last year promising $5 trillion in tax cuts that favor the wealthy. the fellow on stage last night said he didn't know anything about that. >> and bill, the battle continues now. in the battleground states, we're going to see both
the reviews are in for last night's presidential debate. not so good for barack obama. definitely good for mitt romney. a lot of folks concluding that romney had one of the stronger debate performances last night in presidential debating history, at least in recent memory. that's not good news for the president. you can tell how both these campaigns feel about their performance last night based on what they're doing today. we have not seen mitt romney out in front of television cameras so far...
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. >>> t minus seven hours until the first of three presidential debates. a lot of market watchers say the big investors have already priced in an obama re-election but some think tonight might just be a game changer. >> so if romney starts to look up, could that mean stocks go down? we'll have some answers for you next. zagat just gave hertz its top rating in 15 categories, including best overall car rental. so elevate your next car rental experience with the best. it's just another way you'll be traveling at the speed of hertz. you have to dig a little. fidelity's etf market tracker shows you the big picture on how different asset classes are performing, and it lets you go in for a closer look at areas within a class or sector that may be bucking a larger trend. i'm stephen hett of fidelity investments. the etf market tracker is one more innovative reason serious investors are choosing fidelity. get 200 free trades today and explore your next investing idea. sleep train's inventory clearance sale ends columbus day. get 3 years interest-free financing on t
. >>> t minus seven hours until the first of three presidential debates. a lot of market watchers say the big investors have already priced in an obama re-election but some think tonight might just be a game changer. >> so if romney starts to look up, could that mean stocks go down? we'll have some answers for you next. zagat just gave hertz its top rating in 15 categories, including best overall car rental. so elevate your next car rental experience with the best. it's just...
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and the market may or may not be pricing in an obama re-election. that's all going to potentially change during the debates. it will either go higher or lower. i think at the end of the day, the election is a short term mover of the marketplace and we would look for that volatility to add positions that we have a lot of conviction in. >> we've got to leave it there. tom, leo, thank you very much for kicking off our show. >> thank you very much. >>> so, what are you, america, doing with your money. how are you changing your investments, your 401(k). right? a lot? a little? not at all? we make our tests hard here on street signs. you can go to streetsigns.cnbc.com. or tweet us your responses or send a very well trained pigeon. >> yes. >>> a market flash not delivered by pigeon but by word of mouth. >> good afternoon, guys. we're watching shares of service now, ticker now. looking at a downgrade from ubs. they took the stock from neutral to sell with a price target of $28. the firm is saying while they aren't questioning the strong fundamentals, they d
and the market may or may not be pricing in an obama re-election. that's all going to potentially change during the debates. it will either go higher or lower. i think at the end of the day, the election is a short term mover of the marketplace and we would look for that volatility to add positions that we have a lot of conviction in. >> we've got to leave it there. tom, leo, thank you very much for kicking off our show. >> thank you very much. >>> so, what are you,...
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first of three presidential debates and cnbc will carry it live. our coverage begins at 8 p.m. eastern time. it's your money, your vote. sue? >>> ty, the financial crisis haunting america's biggest bank, jpmorgan being sued by new york attorney general eric schneiderman, claiming that the bear sterns business that jpmorgan took over in 2008 defraud mortgage bond investors a are. our senior correspondent scott cone has been working on the case. scott? >> sue, under the head nothing good deed goes unpunished, if how you characterize the takeover of bear stearns, the federal government for the $10 a shake jpmorgan got not only bear stearns' assets but liabilities, including, authorities say responsibility four some of the most egregious conduct in the financial crisis you churning out residential mortgages by the thousands, bundling them into what the firm told investors were quality securities, knowing all along many of the mortgages were duds a systemic fraud on thousands of investors, the lawsuit says, deceiving them about the fundamentally defecti
first of three presidential debates and cnbc will carry it live. our coverage begins at 8 p.m. eastern time. it's your money, your vote. sue? >>> ty, the financial crisis haunting america's biggest bank, jpmorgan being sued by new york attorney general eric schneiderman, claiming that the bear sterns business that jpmorgan took over in 2008 defraud mortgage bond investors a are. our senior correspondent scott cone has been working on the case. scott? >> sue, under the head...
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i watched the debate within the area of my world. i watched it towards making you some money. tweeting every potential stock idea triggered by either gentleman. ♪ how can you try to make money from the debate? let me parse it for you. show you how it's done. going over the actual statements by each candidate translating them into cramerican. let me tell you, there were tons of cramericans on twitter. if you tweeted me about the debate, keep an idea on the ticker below. you may see your tweet. romney went right into a call from north american energy self-sufficiently, coal as an endangered species under obama. listen. >> i like coal. i want to make sure we can continue to burn clean coal. people in the coal industry feel like it's getting crushed by your policies. >> lots of bozos went in and bought the coal stocks. all the coal stocks on. this wrong take away, people! coal's hostage to chinese demand more than u.s. use. that's not the case for the users of coal. the users, people. and that's why i said romney's giving you a heads up to buy american electric and power, two co
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president obama, it wasn't just that his performance was listless. president obama, there was though substance there. you always hear the expression sell the sizzle, not the steak. i always say if you don't have the steak, there's no sizzle. >> all right. from politics to the stock market. a stock you know very well. hewlett-packard. stock has been punished. meg whitman, the new ceo, is coming under fire. here's what she said. >> i'm confident 2013 will be the bottom of the turn around. then you can look forward, i think, to good growth in 2014 and 2015 as those products kick in, the i think vestments we're making in things like i.t., sales, organization, and training. those things will start to kick in. i really think 2014 will be quite a bright year for hp. >> what do you think of what she said? do you have any sympathy for her? >> first of all, of course. any ceo who's in a tough position, it's a very you have to job. there's no question, as i've said before, that meg whitman was dealt a very tough hand because of a lack of investment in product d
president obama, it wasn't just that his performance was listless. president obama, there was though substance there. you always hear the expression sell the sizzle, not the steak. i always say if you don't have the steak, there's no sizzle. >> all right. from politics to the stock market. a stock you know very well. hewlett-packard. stock has been punished. meg whitman, the new ceo, is coming under fire. here's what she said. >> i'm confident 2013 will be the bottom of the turn...
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debates. you can catch it all right here live on cnbc beginning at 8:00 p.m. eastern. i'll be hosting the pre and post coverage along with carl quintanilla. of course, john harwood will also be with us. he's live on the ground in denver. he's here with a preview. over to you, john. >> hey, maria. it's important to remember this election isn't over. if you look at the new polls that we came out with last night and this morning, mitt romney's only trailing by three points nationally. that's down from a five-point margin a couple weeks ago. he's 9/11 florieven in florida,. he still trails in ohio by five points. that's a big problem. he needs to win the state of ohio. that just shows he has an opportunity tonight. three other big economic issues they're going to be talking about, first of all, on taxes. mitt romney hasosed a 20% across the board rate cut for individuals, but he hasn't specified how he's going to pay for that without increasing the deficit or increasing the burden on middle and lo
debates. you can catch it all right here live on cnbc beginning at 8:00 p.m. eastern. i'll be hosting the pre and post coverage along with carl quintanilla. of course, john harwood will also be with us. he's live on the ground in denver. he's here with a preview. over to you, john. >> hey, maria. it's important to remember this election isn't over. if you look at the new polls that we came out with last night and this morning, mitt romney's only trailing by three points nationally. that's...
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beginning of the year you said you expected president obama to be re-elected. do you still believe that? >> yes. yes. i really do. i think that he was maybe two scores up as i heard on "squawk box" this morning. maybe now it is only one. i still think in terms of looking at these battleground states and where he appears to have a competitive advantage, he's still ahead. >> you were extremely accurate in your overall call, at least as of this date, of how the market was going to perform. you said about 15% in 2012. that's about where we are. is now a good time to invest? and then what's going to happen in 2013. >> i would be much more cautious now. we divided our analysis of the market into two parts. there's the things people normally talk about, growth rates and earnings and the economy, but also the discount rate. the interest rate plus this other fear or uncertainty factor. the fed's actions did reduce the uncertainty factor. they reduced the liquidity that took some of that fear away. but it's not really transferring into growth. if you do the high school l
beginning of the year you said you expected president obama to be re-elected. do you still believe that? >> yes. yes. i really do. i think that he was maybe two scores up as i heard on "squawk box" this morning. maybe now it is only one. i still think in terms of looking at these battleground states and where he appears to have a competitive advantage, he's still ahead. >> you were extremely accurate in your overall call, at least as of this date, of how the market was...
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. >>> big night on cnbc, not just because it's the first debate for romney and obama. it's because here on "mad money," it's wednesday. what do we play on wednesdays? you've got it. time to see about your port o portfolios are protected. time to play "am i diversified?." this is where you call me, you tell me your top five holdings and i tell you whether you need to diversify. we've gotten inundated with tweets. we have to go to them. this is from dimas720. i think i know a dmas who writes am i diversified, altria, trokter and gamble can, conoco phillips, big california boo-yah. mike dimas is from summit new jersey. procter & gamble, uh-oh, pepsi, consumer products company. altria, there's a match game thing going on there. conoco phillips, new york community, high yielding financial. keep altria. between pepsi and procter, keep pepsi. proctor is a work in progress although mr. mcdonald is doing much better. we're going to put in yes, a health care company. at this point i'm going a little aggressive. go celgene. let's go to ed in new york, please. ed? >> caller: hey.
. >>> big night on cnbc, not just because it's the first debate for romney and obama. it's because here on "mad money," it's wednesday. what do we play on wednesdays? you've got it. time to see about your port o portfolios are protected. time to play "am i diversified?." this is where you call me, you tell me your top five holdings and i tell you whether you need to diversify. we've gotten inundated with tweets. we have to go to them. this is from dimas720. i think...
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president obama's lead has narrowed heading into tonight's big debate. john harwood is in denver getting ready for the big event. john? >> reporter: melissa, we've got several pieces of encouraging news for mitt romney from not only the wall street poll but swing states poll. you mentioned that mitt romney's closed the deficit among likely voters for obama from five points to three points. and in florida, he's closed from five down to one which is tied given the margin of error in our poll. in virginia, he has closed the gap from five to two. if you look at the state of ohio, a must-win state for mitt romney, mathematically possible for him to get to it without it but his strategists think he needs it. he needs to make progress there. but the fact that some of the national polls are coming back a little bit, some of the swing state polls are tightening, is a bit of an earn couragement for romney that he still has an opportunity for deficit with three or four points to change the dynamic in some way. he's got to hope that obama is not on his best game. yo
president obama's lead has narrowed heading into tonight's big debate. john harwood is in denver getting ready for the big event. john? >> reporter: melissa, we've got several pieces of encouraging news for mitt romney from not only the wall street poll but swing states poll. you mentioned that mitt romney's closed the deficit among likely voters for obama from five points to three points. and in florida, he's closed from five down to one which is tied given the margin of error in our...
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and i think people need to have a real debate over the argument and not a cartoon debate about somehow darkened conspiracies with the number. >> so the discussion will happen on the sunday shows whether or not the week was about the president's performance in the debate, or this economic data. which wins? which one is more important? >> you know, the debate was seen by tens of millions of people. i think that's important. i've said all along during the campaign, the jobless numbers have been hyped in their importance because people are living in this economy. they feel what's happening to their lives and their own prospects. this is good news for the president but doesn't change what voters already know about their own lives and the prospects for their kids to get ahead, the prospects for them to get jobs if they don't have jobs now. i wouldn't overexaggerate. its a psychological thing. it helps the president. it's a high rate. not a good rate. >> yeah. we've asked this question for months. the romney people, when the data does turn and who chos if it would actually, i'm told the presi
and i think people need to have a real debate over the argument and not a cartoon debate about somehow darkened conspiracies with the number. >> so the discussion will happen on the sunday shows whether or not the week was about the president's performance in the debate, or this economic data. which wins? which one is more important? >> you know, the debate was seen by tens of millions of people. i think that's important. i've said all along during the campaign, the jobless numbers...